i got these red german clippers used from someone on the angora listserv. this was just my first time giving these clippers a go and i am totally converted. i would not have wanted to pay retail, but damn are they awesome. they stay cool, are low-maintenance, light, easy, and so quiet that my little junior didn't seem to mind them. there may be more second cuts than with scissors, but i'm not sure of that, and i'll get more proficient using them in time. now cosset and junior are all clipped and staying cool, while prissy and butch are already growing out again.